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	<title>Comments on: How you can help solve the 1996 Angie Dodge murder</title>
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	<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 21:44:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Point of View</title>
		<link>http://idahofallz.com/2008/03/24/how-you-can-help-solve-the-1996-angie-dodge-murder/#comment-22389</link>
		<dc:creator>Point of View</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 May 2008 17:27:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I forgot to add one more reason on why the IFPD would be wise in not releasing a name if they don’t have proof to get a conviction.

It would stand to reason, and by example from others, that if someone who wanted for murder saw their face on TV, or heard their name on TV they would be on the run.  It’s pretty typical for them to leave the state or go to the other side of the country.  

I believe the IFPD would be smart in not releasing the alleged name just so they could please some of the public by showing that their making progress.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I forgot to add one more reason on why the IFPD would be wise in not releasing a name if they don’t have proof to get a conviction.</p>
<p>It would stand to reason, and by example from others, that if someone who wanted for murder saw their face on TV, or heard their name on TV they would be on the run.  It’s pretty typical for them to leave the state or go to the other side of the country.  </p>
<p>I believe the IFPD would be smart in not releasing the alleged name just so they could please some of the public by showing that their making progress.</p>
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		<title>By: Point of View</title>
		<link>http://idahofallz.com/2008/03/24/how-you-can-help-solve-the-1996-angie-dodge-murder/#comment-22387</link>
		<dc:creator>Point of View</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 May 2008 17:04:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>CalderaGal,

Your quote, “IFPD wants to unionize! I hope the community raises hell about this. They do not deserve it. They continue to REFUSE to arrest Angie Dodge’s murderer, and they know who it is. This is NOT an isolated example.”  You can say that isn’t biased but I think you’ll find it hard to convince people otherwise. 

I do find it intriguing that you now refer to your previous comment as, “It is unsubstantiated, not biased.”  This totally refutes your above comment of, “they know who it is.”  Looking up the synonyms for the word unsubstantiated: unproven, not confirmed, unsupported, not backed up.  As a matter of fact since you are referring to your entire comment as unsubstantiated it comes down to just that: unproven, not confirmed, unsupported, and not backed up. 

Like I said before knowing who committed a crime will do nothing for the IFPD, when it comes to the legal process.  As a journalist you should know you have to have, “proof beyond a reasonable doubt” to convict someone of murder.

Entertaining the thought again of them having a “name”.  So let’s say they have the “name” and they put out to the media.   Now the media plays the “name” over the news so everyone hears.  In reference to the above comment, referring to not having proof beyond a reasonable doubt, the “named” person is let go through the judicial process.  Can you imagined if this happened.  I would venture to guess your comments would then be the IFPD doesn’t deserve anything because their screw up in not getting enough evidence before they released the “name” or arrested the “named person”. 

There is just no reasoning in the thought of, “They continue to REFUSE to arrest Angie Dodge’s murderer…”  Do you happen to know if they have the proof to get the conviction of murder?  I guess I should be clear in stating that I’m asking for substantiated knowledge and not unsubstantiated.  The reason why I ask is because arresting a person is a step in the judicial process.  Broken record playing: No proof beyond a reasonable doubt, for murder, leads to an acquittal of the charge. 

CalderaGal your comments would have much more weight to them if you could give us some substantiated comments that we could verify.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CalderaGal,</p>
<p>Your quote, “IFPD wants to unionize! I hope the community raises hell about this. They do not deserve it. They continue to REFUSE to arrest Angie Dodge’s murderer, and they know who it is. This is NOT an isolated example.”  You can say that isn’t biased but I think you’ll find it hard to convince people otherwise. </p>
<p>I do find it intriguing that you now refer to your previous comment as, “It is unsubstantiated, not biased.”  This totally refutes your above comment of, “they know who it is.”  Looking up the synonyms for the word unsubstantiated: unproven, not confirmed, unsupported, not backed up.  As a matter of fact since you are referring to your entire comment as unsubstantiated it comes down to just that: unproven, not confirmed, unsupported, and not backed up. </p>
<p>Like I said before knowing who committed a crime will do nothing for the IFPD, when it comes to the legal process.  As a journalist you should know you have to have, “proof beyond a reasonable doubt” to convict someone of murder.</p>
<p>Entertaining the thought again of them having a “name”.  So let’s say they have the “name” and they put out to the media.   Now the media plays the “name” over the news so everyone hears.  In reference to the above comment, referring to not having proof beyond a reasonable doubt, the “named” person is let go through the judicial process.  Can you imagined if this happened.  I would venture to guess your comments would then be the IFPD doesn’t deserve anything because their screw up in not getting enough evidence before they released the “name” or arrested the “named person”. </p>
<p>There is just no reasoning in the thought of, “They continue to REFUSE to arrest Angie Dodge’s murderer…”  Do you happen to know if they have the proof to get the conviction of murder?  I guess I should be clear in stating that I’m asking for substantiated knowledge and not unsubstantiated.  The reason why I ask is because arresting a person is a step in the judicial process.  Broken record playing: No proof beyond a reasonable doubt, for murder, leads to an acquittal of the charge. </p>
<p>CalderaGal your comments would have much more weight to them if you could give us some substantiated comments that we could verify.</p>
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		<title>By: justme</title>
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		<dc:creator>justme</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 May 2008 20:06:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe you should get in there and take over the investigation, sounds to me like you know everything about everything and could get this overwith in an afternoon!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe you should get in there and take over the investigation, sounds to me like you know everything about everything and could get this overwith in an afternoon!</p>
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		<title>By: CalderaGal</title>
		<link>http://idahofallz.com/2008/03/24/how-you-can-help-solve-the-1996-angie-dodge-murder/#comment-22366</link>
		<dc:creator>CalderaGal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 May 2008 19:43:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How is it biased to state that IFPD knows more about the Angie Dodge case than it is releasing, and that they have not made an arrest they could make? It is unsubstantiated, not biased. As soon as IFPD does its job and solves the case, all facts possible will be substantiated by all the media, most likely. And yes, the broader discussion about the union should be in the group dedicated to that topic. This is a BLOG not a news source, BTW.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How is it biased to state that IFPD knows more about the Angie Dodge case than it is releasing, and that they have not made an arrest they could make? It is unsubstantiated, not biased. As soon as IFPD does its job and solves the case, all facts possible will be substantiated by all the media, most likely. And yes, the broader discussion about the union should be in the group dedicated to that topic. This is a BLOG not a news source, BTW.</p>
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		<title>By: Guest of Homeskillet</title>
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		<dc:creator>Guest of Homeskillet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 19:49:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well aren't you the bossy one!  8)</description>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 19:26:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Guest123,

I'm answering your recent comment but I'm going to do so in the thread that already exists at IFZ about the police union.  The Angie Dodge thread is not where this discussion should be taking place.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Guest123,</p>
<p>I&#8217;m answering your recent comment but I&#8217;m going to do so in the thread that already exists at IFZ about the police union.  The Angie Dodge thread is not where this discussion should be taking place.</p>
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		<title>By: Nowayjose</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nowayjose</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 18:50:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The firefighter union as the power of state law behind it. None of the others do. The city must recognize the firefighters but not the cops. Electrical plays the "hard to replace us game". That sucks because they get twice as high a pay raise ever years as anyone else does, including firefighters.

Calderagal, thanks to your biased rant, your article on the Dodge case now makes  more sense. I always felt it was pretty biased against the cops, especially with so many assumptions about how they screwed up. Now I know beyond any doubt why that is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The firefighter union as the power of state law behind it. None of the others do. The city must recognize the firefighters but not the cops. Electrical plays the &#8220;hard to replace us game&#8221;. That sucks because they get twice as high a pay raise ever years as anyone else does, including firefighters.</p>
<p>Calderagal, thanks to your biased rant, your article on the Dodge case now makes  more sense. I always felt it was pretty biased against the cops, especially with so many assumptions about how they screwed up. Now I know beyond any doubt why that is.</p>
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		<title>By: Guest 123</title>
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		<dc:creator>Guest 123</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 17:10:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is my recollection that the reason the city recognizes the firefighter and electrical worker unions is that there is a demand for those workers in other areas and the city does not want to lose those workers to other employers.  However, the opposite is true with the city police force.  The IFPD actually has people leaving other law enforcement jobs to work for IFPD.  I don't know if this is correct but I remember hearing it before, maybe the last time the union issue came up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is my recollection that the reason the city recognizes the firefighter and electrical worker unions is that there is a demand for those workers in other areas and the city does not want to lose those workers to other employers.  However, the opposite is true with the city police force.  The IFPD actually has people leaving other law enforcement jobs to work for IFPD.  I don&#8217;t know if this is correct but I remember hearing it before, maybe the last time the union issue came up.</p>
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		<title>By: Nemesis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nemesis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 15:47:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just read the PR version of the story for police unions, and I guess the issue is that they have a formal organization that officers can join, but the city does not recognize it as a valid organization.

So the push is to have the city recognize the union as a valid representative of the member officers.

And I'm sorry, CalderaGal, to have written your name incorrectly before (I just noticed that I did it).  I'm sure you are not a girl and it was unintentional on my part.  But I do agree with POV that as a media rep you don't appear to be unbiased in this issue.  If you have more information, could you share?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just read the PR version of the story for police unions, and I guess the issue is that they have a formal organization that officers can join, but the city does not recognize it as a valid organization.</p>
<p>So the push is to have the city recognize the union as a valid representative of the member officers.</p>
<p>And I&#8217;m sorry, CalderaGal, to have written your name incorrectly before (I just noticed that I did it).  I&#8217;m sure you are not a girl and it was unintentional on my part.  But I do agree with POV that as a media rep you don&#8217;t appear to be unbiased in this issue.  If you have more information, could you share?</p>
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		<title>By: Point of View</title>
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		<dc:creator>Point of View</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 15:40:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Reference Union Rights for the City Of Idaho Falls:

You can look up the Union Representation for Idaho Falls Firefighters at www.idahofallsfirefighters.org.  They are represented by International Association of Fire Fighters (IAFF) Local 1565.  

It is my understanding that the State of Idaho does have to recognize Unions for firefighters but nothing else.

You can contact the Electrial Dept. (Jackie Flowers (Manager)), and they too will verify they are represented by Union.  They are represented the International Brotherhood of Electrical Workers.  Their Local Union number is 57. This Union is affiliated with the AFL-CIO.

According to Officer Brad Landes, President of Fraternal Order Of Police Lodge #6, they are not represented by Union.  They tried once and the City Council said no.  From my understanding this was their second attempt and again they were told the answer hasn't changed.  

If the City Council wants to show they are fair in "All" their dealings I don't see why they will not let the police unionize.  You can't give it to the electrical dept and tell another dept you can't.  

Calderagal,

Your comments made are quite biased by your last statement.  If you are in media aren't you supposed to be unbiased?  It makes no sense for you to claim the police know who the murder is in this case; and then say they should get nothing they want because of this accusation.

Lets entertain the thought, even though your claim has yet to have support to this, that they do have another suspect.  You should know that unless they have proof this doesn't mean a whole lot in court.  Can you not only share with us how you know the police have another suspect, and what proof they would have to go to court to get a conviction to this accusation?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reference Union Rights for the City Of Idaho Falls:</p>
<p>You can look up the Union Representation for Idaho Falls Firefighters at <a href="http://www.idahofallsfirefighters.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.idahofallsfirefighters.org</a>.  They are represented by International Association of Fire Fighters (IAFF) Local 1565.  </p>
<p>It is my understanding that the State of Idaho does have to recognize Unions for firefighters but nothing else.</p>
<p>You can contact the Electrial Dept. (Jackie Flowers (Manager)), and they too will verify they are represented by Union.  They are represented the International Brotherhood of Electrical Workers.  Their Local Union number is 57. This Union is affiliated with the AFL-CIO.</p>
<p>According to Officer Brad Landes, President of Fraternal Order Of Police Lodge #6, they are not represented by Union.  They tried once and the City Council said no.  From my understanding this was their second attempt and again they were told the answer hasn&#8217;t changed.  </p>
<p>If the City Council wants to show they are fair in &#8220;All&#8221; their dealings I don&#8217;t see why they will not let the police unionize.  You can&#8217;t give it to the electrical dept and tell another dept you can&#8217;t.  </p>
<p>Calderagal,</p>
<p>Your comments made are quite biased by your last statement.  If you are in media aren&#8217;t you supposed to be unbiased?  It makes no sense for you to claim the police know who the murder is in this case; and then say they should get nothing they want because of this accusation.</p>
<p>Lets entertain the thought, even though your claim has yet to have support to this, that they do have another suspect.  You should know that unless they have proof this doesn&#8217;t mean a whole lot in court.  Can you not only share with us how you know the police have another suspect, and what proof they would have to go to court to get a conviction to this accusation?</p>
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