Vandalize a Town - Make Some Money!
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The five teenagers who vandalized 179 stop signs throughout Idaho Falls last year is now starting to make some money from their illegal actions.
For some time the teenagers went uncaught spray painting and defacing stop signs all over Idaho Falls. A total of 179 stop signs were vandalized. The teenagers claimed they defaced the public property in protest of the Iraq war, though some believe if the war wasn’t around, they’d have found another reason to vandalize public property.
What is more likely is they were out to get noticed. Like gangs in southern California who tag overpasses, businesses, and sometimes billboards to leave their mark – a mark of accomplishment showing “we’ve been here!” “This is our turf.” These teenagers were likely proud of leaving their mark on society. Feeling, in their own way, a sense of accomplishment and pride that they were getting away with something right in front of everyone.
I remember a few years ago when the same type of thing happened with some rebellious teenagers who were taking two shoes tied together and throwing them up to wrap around power lines to leave their mark. I remember hearing rumors that in some the teenagers would confront and order children to remove their shoes which they would use to throw over the power lines to leave their mark.
Reported in the Post Register today, the teenagers who were vandalizing stop signs are starting to make some real money from their actions. The judge allowed the teenagers to have the stop signs and now the teenagers are taking their notoriety from their illegal activity to sell the stop signs for between $80.00 and $300.00 and make some cash.
You might wonder who would support illegal activity like this. I was wondering too. The answer might surprise you. It sure did me. Two of the signs were purchased by our very own Bonneville County Democrats. And one was bought by Dan Henry, a member a group that has been wanting to buy the signs for some time. They appear to want to support the teenagers and reward them for their illegal actions.
So why is the local Democratic Party now supporting vandalism and the defacing of public property?
Who are the other buyers of the stop signs and why are they supporting vandalism?
Why is there such complacency with delinquents now a days in our society?
It is people like this who could end up in theft, drugs, or other law-breaking activities when they learn there are no consequences, but instead benefits for breaking the law.
And I have to wonder, where were the kids parents in all of this?
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0 I agree that the shoes over the powerlines are just “I am here” kinds of statements.
The “Stop War” effort was a political protest. We have the right to make political statements, and protests, in our country.
What we don’t have the right to do, is public vandalism. That is a crime, and even though the teenagers were doing it as a form of political protest, they were caught, arrested and tried, and sentenced appropriately. Such is your risk when you commit a crime, even if you do it in under the guise of protest.
Where this went wrong is that the sentence should have included restitution for the “repair” of the vandalized signs, rather than the “replacement” of the vandalized signs. By saying they were paying for replacement, that made the signs their own, to do with as they wanted. That set up the scenario by which the signs are being sold to fund their defense expenses…and the rumor is that some of them will end up on eBay, eventually.
Even if they were not given the signs, the notoriety is something they have been given by virtue of being willing to risk their freedoms by making a political statement in such a way. They may end up ‘profiting’ from that experience in many ways.
I just disagree with the concept of awarding them the damaged physical property, as those items are definitely part of the “crime” and now the teens can actually “profit” from their crimes in ways our justice system was not supposed to allow.
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0 0 But wait! There’s more! BOP alert here, folks…
Once again, the Democrats are being singled out in this post, when the other people who bought the rest of those signs are not identified by THEIR political party.
Apparently it’s just too difficult to understand that you can’t legitimately demonize a political party by saying something as silly as,
….”X” number of people did this….and horror of horrors…HALF of them were Democrats!!!! Can you believe those dirty Democrats!!!! Shame on them!!!….
Yeah, well, clearly the other half of them were Republicans, but THEY aren’t being singled out as dirty, and shameful…nah…just the Democrats, in this here “equal opportunity” country of ours.
As my buddy Glenn Beck would point out…”I’m just sayin’…”
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0 0 He brought up the Democrats because they used the signs as fundraisers at their last county picnic. It was a big hit with the 3 Democrats who showed up. I think it was 3, but then there was also 2 news reporters, so it might of been only 1 Democrat there. I think it was the only democrat that ever runs in Bonneville County.
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0 0 Maybe these kids were sick of their friends getting killed and being powerless to do anything about it.
Do you really think putting the word “war” under the word “stop” is equivalent to gangs marking drug turf? And who in this case made anyone take off their shoes?
This article seems like a poor excuse for trying to smear a political party you evidently don’t like and whine about a victimless crime. Life isn’t so simple.
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0 0 As for your paraphrase about Dan Henry, the original articles on this subject state:
“One was bought by Dan Henry, a member of the Snake River Freedom Coalition that formed after the signs were defaced to encourage less destructive forms of protest.”
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1 0 Which is worse:
1) The Democrats supporting vandals
2) The Republicans supporting a war criminal in an illegal war?
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0 0 Here is the real story about the Snake River Freedom Coalition:
http://www.srfreedomco.org/index.php?action=view&id=5&module=newsmodule&src=%40random47962fef6769b
Sign of the times
posted by Tina - 11/01/07
Post Register Front Page
(Moderator note: Please do not republish copyright articles. Links should be ok.)
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0 0 well, let’s not forget, “T”, that it was the democratic congress which approved the declaration of war (the president cannot enact a declaration of war…..only congress can)…….
Crystal please stop filling up the discussion with pointless cut and pastes….we can all read the paper ourselves and it adds nothing to the discussion….thanks!
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0 0 i don’t think it was a democrat congress when war was declared. I could be wrong, but i thought that came when Bushie was elected the second time.
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0 0 Idaho has a “Son of Sam” law that prevents criminals from profiting from their crimes. Seems to me this falls within it.
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0 0 how do we have it enforced?
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0 0 Crystal the link is good thanks. My preference is to read the actual link too since that way I know that nobody is slicing their own words into the post.
While I agree that the kids did something wrong, I also believe that they were protesting in such a way as to be heard. Society still tends to think that children should be seen and not heard. This appears to have been a way that they could stand up, make their message heard and hopefully get people to “think” as the article quoted them as saying. This took guts.
Herb Sewell, there were apparently more people in attendance than you noted. I too would have attended had I known in advance.
The article states that a couple of the people attending have been told by friends that they are not for our troops (not in so many words). I have been told this too and that is a far cry from the truth. What I am seeing is a lot of young people losing their lives, their families and friends grieving, and for what? A war that we are not only losing but a war that should never have been started. These young men and women had their entire lives ahead of them. It was cut short by our demonic president.
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0 0 I’m all for protest, and I think the students (if they were truly intending to protest, rather than vandalize in a “cute” way…) had the right idea that they needed to make a statement in some way…
The issue is that if you break the law, you should be prepared to face the consequences…and other than the notoriety for the protest, you should not be able to profit if you commit a crime.
Someone mentioned that they weren’t truly profiting, as the amounts they spent in defense will not be covered by the sales. But the fact that they will recover some costs is indeed a profit to them…
While I don’t mind others contributing to their defense expenses, and I can understand the Democrats trying to support anyone who makes an anti-war statement, I still don’t think the students should have gotten possession of those stop signs that they vandalized.
Just so you understand that my heart’s in the right place…If they will publicize the date, time and location of their next peaceful/legal protest against the war, I will certainly attempt to join them.
I’m very angry with our President and Vice President for their chicanery that took us into this quagmire, and their singleminded pursuit of glory which amounts to macho worldwide terror-mongering. I want our country to bring its young people home, and stop the insanity.
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0 0 Hey, Larry Craig is still making his income off our tax dollars. It’s not right to profit from crime I agree, not in any way, shape, or form.
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0 0 nemesis, why are you mad at Bush and Cheney and not at your congresspeople? THEY voted for a declaration of war……….
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0 0 Congress was mislead, they were given false information with a carefully crafted series of lies and deceptions. Those who attempted to expose the lies were discredited and ‘outed’ (Ms Plame was exposed because of her spouse’s assertions about the African/uranium issues…)
Just because you’re not of the same party as the President, (and even when you are) if you are given multiple pieces of “proof” to support his plans, you will sometimes walk right down that primrose path as he leads the way…
I can forgive someone a mistake they made because they made it with good intentions, based upon the information that they had access to. I totally don’t believe that either the Prez or the VP had good intentions. I think they took advantage of a situation to put into place plans they had been cooking up all along. 9-11 fell into their lap (and conspiracy theorists assert it was part of their master plan, although I’m not willing to go there right now) and they made hay while that big old sun of terrorist hysteria was shining on our land.
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0 0 ….I still don’t believe that Congress, with all their attendant staff, aides, interns, etc., was led down any primrose path….shame on them if they were! the President and Congress are often at odds on issues: has evil genius Bush succeeded in any other “tricks” to get them to vote his way? Or, wait, isn’t Bush a bumbling idiot??? Can he really be both?
Ms. Plame was “outed” not by any conspiracy but by her own choices: she drove a car with “I SPY” license plates (well before the Robert Novak article) and was already in negotiations to write a tell-all book about life in the CIA before she was allegedly outed; moreover, she was no longer in active service and was really never “outed” by anyone…..
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0 0 Okay Anonymous, fine by me, you can believe whatever you want to about the origins of this war, I’m not here to convince you otherwise. I’m sure that talk radio and Fox give you all the fair and balanced truthiness that you can swallow.
I want to bring our troops home, because this “war” was poorly conceived/planned and mismanaged, bungled all the way. United States citizens are paying for this with billions of dollars in debt and even their lives.
However, Halliburton and Blackwater have made/continue to make millions and there are plenty more who profit from this. The area is less stable today than when we went there, in March 2003.
So I’m not seeing us leave anytime soon. I can understand frustration at the citizen level, and I am willing to join in an anti-war protest if one is organized in our area.
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0 0 Good for you Nemesis. I completely agree with you.
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0 0 I never said I wanted the war to continue, Nemesis; I want our troops home, too….but everyone turns it into some “evil presidential conspiracy” that poor, innocent Congress had absolutely nothing to do with….and that is incorrect. Congress had access to all the information needed to make a decision about the war and voted to enact a resolution approving the war. Yet no one ever mentions the responsibility borne by Congress…….equally to blame…….
The only way to seriously discuss “bringing the troops home” is to take a look at how the members of Congress are viewing it……yet no one does. Everyone just mindlessly bashes Bush, which does no good and doesn’t address the issue of when and how the troops can come home…..
Why didn’t you address the Valerie Plame issue?
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0 0 There sure isn’t a doubt in my mind that Bush was the innocent bystander in all this and did not want war declared on Iraq! Uh yeah 
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0 0 ……..I also didn’t say he was innocent……I said that responsibility for the war should be shared by those who voted for it;
It’s not enough for some to now claim, ‘I didn’t have all the information’ …..well, Congress, that is your duty, isn’t it? we trust Congress to pass laws, for goodness sake: do they get to cry foul on those, too?
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0 0 Anonymous, you are correct that Congress voted to give the President the right to invade if he felt it was necessary, based upon all the “proof” he provided to them. Even though I believe that they were led down the path by a duplicitous president, they do share some measure of guilt for allowing him to snooker them into it.
Of course they should have known he was a shameful dirty lying scoundrel, instead of giving him the benefit of the doubt that he was doing what was right for our country.
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0 0 Yes it is their duty. However, from what I have read, they didn’t know and yes Bush did send them down the primrose path. It is my understanding that Bush was fully aware of new developments that he didn’t share. I think Bush had an axe to grind. I fail to see why Osama ambushes America but we go after Hussein, I’ve never understood that. If the neighbor to your right abuses your child, do you go after the neighbor to your left? Oh yes, Osama is still in hiding, Hussein is dead. With the American public living in fear post 9/11, it was easy to do as he pleased. Bush a bumbling idiot? He was so hell bent on this war that he failed to plan properly. He wanted Hussein and would stop at nothing, including the lives of our young men and women….moot point to him, I call that evil. And for all those who are calling Clinton a chicken for evading the war, why aren’t they also referring to Bush as the same? I tire of hearing about those dang flaming liberals when placing blame on democrats merely avoids pointing the finger at themselves. Is there anything that goes wrong that the Bush has ever admitted to? He still cannot force himself to admit that we’re losing this war, that it should not have been started, and we need to bring our troops home.
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0 0 Anon #21, I missed that comment until I went back just now…about the Valarie Plame issue, I disagree with you about the sequence of events.
We can both cite as many sources as the other that supports our way of looking at it, so there’s no point in continuing that piece of the debate. We’ll just have to disagree.
You and I do agree that the war is a terrible thing, but we disagree about how it happened, or who is to blame, or whether it was handled well.
The thing we could still try to come together on is how to go about finding a resolution to it and bringing our children home safely. That’s what is important now, and I’m afraid it’s not as easily done as most people seem to think.
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0 0 well, that is kind of my point: if everyone insists on this Bush-as-evil-genius scenario, and that lily-white Congress had nothing to do with the evil war, that sets us up for failure on how to resolve this war; I still think if Congress claims they were led “astray” that indicates willful blindness on their part; they had access to all the info needed and if they chose to not take advantage of information needed to make an informed decision, shame on them, too.
To suggest that Bush and only Bush had some ax to grind (oil? Hussein? Haliburton? which is it??) will only hamper our ability to understand and resolve the war issue
I will agree to disagree with you about “I SPY” 
Valerie Plame and her “secret” identity.
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0 0 FYI….for anyone who is interested: find out where Valerie Plame was working when she was allegedly “outed”; yep, anyone who cared to could see her walking in and out of the CIA headquarters in langley, va., using her own name.
Pretty covert….
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0 0 If you need to win an argument, Anonymous, I already gave you the win about the one where Congress should have known better than to trust the President…
So, now that you’ve had your win, how about sharing with us your ideas on how to end this ‘war’ and bring our children home safely?
Since I haven’t been able to figure it out on my own, I’m open to others’ ideas in this area. I said I’d join the anti-war protests, but I don’t think they’ll do much good. Better to use our efforts to think of ways to end the conflict, and pass them along to our leaders They can use the help, it seems.
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0 0 Wikpedia on Valerie Plame
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valerie_Plame
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0 0 ha ha very funny, Nemesis! “better than to trust” the mad genius of George Bush…..(cue dramatic music)….not really a win but then this isn’t about “winning” an argument; I am concerned about the facts….
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0 0 Yes, it has gotten pretty dramatic, sad but true, nothing to laugh at. Hence, we need solutions on how to to end the war.
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0 0 Or, at the very least, we need to get back on topic…
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0 0 I’m part of the subject of this post, and there’s too much silliness and erroneous information to correct, in the original post, and in the comments.
For those of you complaining about the boys “profiting from their crime”:
The next time you see a piece of city property that you’d like to have, try doing what the boys did. First, vandalize it. Then get caught (you can speed up the process by turning yourself in). Then plead guilty. Then pay off your lawyers, pay the assigned penalties, and spend 2 nights in jail. Then, when you get out, pay the restitution costs. Then you get it (the used one, not the new one that you purchased).
After you do that, then you can complain to me about “crime pays.”
In this country, we revere civil disobedience. People who break the law in order to open our eyes to the failures of our country or its leadership. For me, I’ll stand with our revolutionary forefathers. I’ll stand with the the patriots at Lexington and Concord. I’ll stand with Mildred Loving. I’ll stand with Rosa Parks.
I’ll also stand with Alex Piet, Craig Bakker, and the other boys. They are the cream of the crop of the youth in Idaho Falls, and we all owe them a debt of gratitude for what they did.
In fact, there are criminals involved in this story. Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Wolfowicz, Rice, Feith, etc, are chickenhawk war criminals and should be convicted and jailed. We’re stuck in a five-year-long quagmire, in a country that was no threat to us, and “Blazing Mad” is worried about two kids who are selling stop signs. What a fine display of priorities.
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0 0 I have to add that it’s pretty scummy for “Blazing Mad” to end with this:
And I have to wonder, where were the kids parents in all of this?
Where were Blazing’s parents when he was supposed to be learning grammar?
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0 0 Too funny! Very well written.
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0 0 Hey, Dan the Man, thanks for taking the time to set us straight! Except I still disagree with you about giving the signs to the boys.
Give them to a charity, auction them off to help the agency that pays for the stop signs, whatever works for that end of things…but don’t give them the signs as trophies for their little vandalism spree.
Now, as far as civil disobedience, I’m in agreement with you that our country sets a fine precedent for the acts of civil disobedience. Don’t know as either Mildred (who battled the ban on mixed race marriage) or Rosa (who sat on the bus, so you won’t be “standing with her” so to speak) committed local government property vandalism to get their point across to the federal government.
And our forefathers at Lexington and Concord were revolutionaries, involved with the overthrow of the government. So they were offering their lives in the fight and their cause was a little more drastic than that of the young men in our town.
Wasn’t your coalition formed to help the young men know how to channel their energies, to help them find productive ways to make their protests, to keep them interested and excited to continue the fight? If what they did was appropriate, you wouldn’t need to do any of these things, you’d only need to cheer them on…
Someplace else where I find common ground with you…those major players are war criminals, in my opinion. Any other country’s leadership that did these things, we’d have their heads on a platter (or breaking off during a hanging…)
Thanks for the website link, I’d like to know more about your organization. It sounds interesting.
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0 0 Thank you idahogie!
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0 0 Nemesis -
Thanks for your comments. I appreciated some of your arguments above, too. If you like discussions like this you should come visit Drinking Liberally. We meet every Thursday evening at Marcellar’s (7pm). The website link is actually a bit damaged. They just introduced a new website, and all our old content at http://idahofalls.drinkingliberally.org/ is gone. That will soon be fixed, I hope. But back to the topic.
There are legal issues involved that only a lawyer used to dealing with civic laws and regulations are equipped to comment on. For example, when we first contacted the head of the city’s sign department, offering to buy the signs at a premium from the city directly, he told us that he was not allowed to make a profit on the sale of city property. He could sell old signs only for the going scrap metal price.
Second, how many of us are aware of the legal precedent for situations like this? For all we know, it might be long-established case law that if you pay to replace property, you absolutely own the damaged property. A lot of people above are commenting on this in a vacuum, and are shining a light on their own ignorance more than the issue at hand.
Finally, I’m a bit confused by your comment in one respect - you seem to differentiate different forms of violating the law. Mildred Loving and Rosa Parks violated the law. So did the American revolutionaries. They were all very calculated instances of law-breaking, meant to highlight the injustices they saw (the Lovings decided to fight the law only after their conviction, of course).
I don’t see a difference. You could say that in the cases I cited, the violators were more direct - i.e., they broke the very laws that they wanted to change. And Alex and Craig violated different laws. But that’s not strictly correct. The revolutionaries violated many laws (e.g., against murder) in their quest. Also, many acts of civil disobedience are directed at different laws - e.g., chaining oneself to a gate at the entrance to a missile silo. So there is no “rule” that makes one form of violation appropriate versus another, just based on direct correlation.
Come on, people! We’re talking about stop signs here. You all act like the vandalism of property with a political statement is somehow so far beyond the pale. The boys made a non-violent statement regarding the horrible destruction of lives caused by our so-called president, and all Blazing and others on this forum can worry about is those poor stop signs.
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0 0 rThere are so many mistakes and falsehoods in the original post and in the comments, it’s hard to know where to start. Perhaps we should address one stupidity per day. Let’s start with the first sentence:
The five teenagers who vandalized 179 stop signs throughout Idaho Falls last year is now starting to make some money from their illegal actions.
There were five teenagers originally identified, but only four went through the legal process. And the four did not vandalize 179 stop signs. Dozens of kids were involved, but only 4 were convicted. The most that any of them vandalized was about 20. I doubt that group of boys did more than 50 signs.
Tomorrow, I’ll talk about the incredible stupidity found in the second paragraph. Here’s a hint: “Some believe that if the internet were not around, Blazing Mad would have posted his comments on stop signs around town.”
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0 0 I have to agree with Idahogie. I think Blazing Mad’s article was more to protest that anyone was protesting. Far worse has happened in this community than what he/she writes about. The boys were trying to make a statement, they weren’t just spraying local businesses for the joy of spreading grafitti. I don’t think vandalism is the right way to go about it, but I can see far more destruction with the actions of our government officials than with spraying (Stop) War on stop signs. The article merely detracts from the blatant wrongdoing already in progress. Bush is sure profiting from crime with our tax dollars. He’s killing thousands of our young men and women as well as innocent Iraqi civilians with his crime.
As far as Blazing Mad’s comment about where were the parents through all this, it sounds like he/she has never had nor been a teenager or perhaps, is just living on fantasy island. Good luck (really) knowing where they are and what they’re doing 24/7. I sure gave it my best effort.
Idahogie, I’ve yet to read anything you’ve written that I didn’t agree with. And it does sound to me as if the boys paid for their “crimes”.
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0 0 The shoes over a powerline statement was funny. If you grew up in the inner city in the 60’s, it had nothing to do with “I’m here” or “political statements”, it was because you walked through the wrong neighborhood and got jumped. They’d take your shoes, tie them together and whip them over the powerlines making you walk home shoeless. It was about getting punked not about any political statement.
Good try though.
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0 0 I think you really miss the point, Dan. It’s not the political protest that bothers us. We support political protest, and we understand civil disobedience (and the political/legal implications).
It’s the giving of the vandalized property to the students, who can then sell it to others, that seems wrong (because the only reason those signs have much value is due to the vandalism).
That eagle statue (in fact, the whole fountain formation) at Taylor’s Crossing is very appealing to me. I could spray paint or carve some political protest words on it, and voila! I can end up with it as my prize (albeit at a steep price, but hey, right now it’s not for sale in any way at any price…)
It seems wrong to allow someone who has committed a crime of vandalism to be “rewarded” for that crime by being given the property they vandalized. If that’s long established case law, it’s true, we certainly weren’t aware of it.
This is not a post about political protest, it’s a post about vandalized property being given to the vandals. Let’s discuss political protest at your meetings, or in another post altogether.
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0 0 Thanks, hmm. I appreciate your moderate tone and thoughtful responses above, as well.
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0 0 I disagree Nemesis. You say that the issue is limited to the ownership of the stop signs (I addressed that in post #39, by the way). But Blazing’s post was full of other stuff too. That particular issue may be the part of Blazing’s post that you are most interested in, then that’s not the only part.
Again, I’ll listen to somebody who knows something about the legal precedents and case law on this. But all of us are speaking from ignorance, basically (myself included). To me, it seems reasonable that if I pay to replace something, I should have the option of owning what I replaced. Let’s say that I hit a stop sign with my car by accident. If I pay to replace the damaged sign, shouldn’t I have the option of keeping the old sign? Is the difference intention? Because that is enormously hard to determine in many cases.
(Conservatives would say that intention in this case matters. That the boys should be denied ownership of the stop signs because they intended to damage them, and we should not “reward” them. However, when it comes to hate crimes legislation, they argue that intention is too hard to determine.)
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0 0 You’re correct that I was trying to focus on the vandalism piece, and the giving of the stop signs to the students.
There was an anti Democratic party tone to the piece that I didn’t want to spend a lot of time on (although I did address it in #3) because I wanted to deflect the attention back to the less partisan aspect of this situation.
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0 0 “Vandalize a town, make some money”
What the hell do you call manufacturing and selling arms that destroy whole towns, poisoning the water and killing and maiming people on both sides?
You want to see vandalism, why don’t you go to Iraq?
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0 0 “A study by the Harvard School of Public Health found evidence that there was a threefold increase in the mortality of Iraqi children under five years of age caused by the Gulf War and trade sanctions. The estimate from the study indicates more than 46,900 children died between January and August 1991 alone.[50] A 1998 UNICEF report found that the sanctions resulted in an increase to 90,000 deaths per year. Many argue that the sanctions on Iraq and the American military presence in Saudi Arabia contributed to an increasingly negative image of the United States in the Arab world.[”
^ Ascherio, A; Chase R, Coté T, Dehaes G, Hoskins E, Laaouej J, Passey M, Qaderi S, Shuqaidef S, Smith MC, et al. (1992-09-24). “Effect of the Gulf War on infant and child mortality in Iraq.”. The New England Journal of Medicine 327 (13): 931-936. Massachusetts Medical Society.
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0 0 Effect of the Gulf War on infant and child mortality in Iraq from Department of Epidemiology, Harvard School of Public Health, Boston, MA :
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0 0 And you argue about stop signs? Where are your parents? How do they feel about dead children?
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0 0 “To me, it seems reasonable that if I pay to replace something, I should have the option of owning what I replaced.”
I don’t understand…re: comment #45:
Is Dan/Idahogie saying if someone hits another person’s property (say, their 1907 antique car) and then they pay the replacement cost, the person who hit it should have the option of also keeping the antique car?
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0 0 100,000 Civilian Women And Children Killed In Iraq By Coalition Forces
old news
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0 0 Doesn’t Idaho own a bunch of radioactive sand?
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0 0 Kids vandalize stop signs and upon paying their full debts to society are able to keep the stop signs as personal property with which to do what they want, and this is seen as a big problem?
Corporations file an intentionally erroneous low-ball Idaho tax return, then get to negotiate a “settlement” where they still escape paying what they owe and the whole matter is kept secret from public view.
Which is the bigger crime against Idaho?
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0 0 Very true Guest, good points. I still can’t help but think this article was a blazing mad diversion article against democrats, rather than against crime. I prefer to vote for the person not the party, but it’s this type of thing that gears me more and more towards the straight line democratic party vote.
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0 0 / STOP \
tax fraud
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0 0 I’m glad this article was written.
Thank you, BlazingMad, for the information about the Bonneville County Democrats, Drinking Liberally, and the Snake River Freedom Coalition.
Good things CAN come from bad writing.
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Shoes over power lines and making a political statement are two very different things. Unless there was some political reference behind shoes events.